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[edit] Sage Nadia

y'know man, you should really fix sage nadia's article.

I know this site's not known for being a reliable source of neutral point of view, but her article's really off the track. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.53.151.146 (talk • contribs) .

thanks and no problem...

-Hydrassas

[edit] What is wrong with Cubist????

Honestly, what is this person's problem? Their retort to my post is baffling to say that least - as if they're on the verge of insanity or something...

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Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.

It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.

Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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I ask you, is there ANYTHING in my post that could be considered an attack on Cubist? And do you know of any reason why Cubist would choose to launch an attack upon me?

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 17:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The simplest conclusion is that he is being honest - that the reason for his assertion is he believes you to be a concern troll. I don't see any reason to suggest that he is implying that you made an attack on him - just that he strongly disagrees with you and suspects your motives. --GreenReaper^(talk) 18:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

QUOTE CUBIST: Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy?

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Right. He believes that your statements are overblown histronics. The form of his expression might be considered an attack on you, but does not imply that he felt that you attacked him, as you said. --GreenReaper^(talk) 18:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, Cubist is claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, do you not think?

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 18:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

No, that is not the meaning of the term. He appears to believe that you do not actually support the same goals as the wiki, but are trying to subvert them by pretending that you do. For example, if giving people fair treatment was one of the goals of the wiki you might express concerns that Mozdoc is not getting fair treatment, thereby hoping to elicit sympathy from those who would otherwise have a neutral or negative opinion. The trouble with making such assertions is that people's motives are unknown to us without some external form of confirmation, therefore they are hard to prove or disprove. --GreenReaper^(talk) 18:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The method Cubist used to do it is SO childish, it makes me wonder if I should just put him/her over me knee and spank him/her. :))

Mozdoc needs to learn to control his temper - I can sympathize with that. I also know how most of society can literally drive people like Mozdoc to such actions.

By only using punishment against him, we only further reinforce his behavior. That's not to say we should just give in and remove it to stop threats - just the opposite. HOWEVER, If it is removed, and you and the others make it CLEARLY known that 1 - it CAN be added in again should the threats resume. 2 - that it is being done for fairness sake.

I believe it will have a greater positive impact not only on the conflict but upon Mozdoc himself.

By the way, kindly take a look at my user page ;) :)) That should (hopefully) show we are two different peole - Mozdoc tends to simply open fire, wjile I tend to toy with those who make such pathetic attacks.

So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :)) 18:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, the only person who has brought up the concept of you being the same person as Mozdoc is you. The assertions made by Cubist relate to the pursuit of similar goals while professing neutrality, not similar identity.

I am unsure how much any of us can help Mozdoc. I've talked to him on several occasions and made no long-term progress. The whole reason the page is here in the first place is that counseling hasn't worked to stop the harassment of others in the fandom. As I understand it, its purpose isn't to coerce the subject into good behaviour (because punishment doesn't work), but to ameliorate the effects of his bad behaviour on others. The question is whether or not the real name is a requirement for this. --GreenReaper^(talk) 19:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)